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| Grimreaper |
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| Kiman4 wrote: | wat....
so i put 1 dollar into the bank and the gov can then create 7 more?
wouldn't that give the government to horribly inflate our economy at will |
Well...we had home prices inflate by 100% from 2003 to 2006 in many areas....many stocks have more than tripled in a year....gold went to where it hasn't been since you were bornded. Inflayshun? What were you lookin for as a sign of inflayshun? ....for Mr T. to stop going out in public with 150 chains around his neck cause he's skeered to git ripped off by the same fokes who are tearing apart new homes being built to steal copper wire? You won't be happy till there's anarchy...will ya?  |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 3:46 pm Post subject: |
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Our money is backed by our willingness to accept it as being worth $1.00.
No gold is involved. Nada, nutin, ziltch, zero!! The seashells the Indians accepted gladly for manhatten are worth just as much.....   |
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| jacobnbr1 |
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| frusnak wrote: | Our money is backed by our willingness to accept it as being worth $1.00.
No gold is involved. Nada, nutin, ziltch, zero!! The seashells the Indians accepted gladly for manhatten are worth just as much..... |
Our money is backed by life, tax and new born children as being future taxpayers.
Still- If i wash a car for 25.00 for somone why is this a +charge? I was out the water,time and soap, shouldn't i have a -charge? thus the debt being zero'd when paid
Perhaps back before 1933 that was what went on??
Now that HJR-192 is in place, all the charge can be is + thus the debt cancels the debt. |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
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| jacobnbr1 wrote: | | frusnak wrote: | | I am suprised INWB has not had any input on this a far a what makes frn's, euro's or anything else for that matter worth anything. The term intrinsic value comes to mind. Other than food, water and shelter everything else's value is up to debate. |
I too was wondering why he didn't chime in.
Could it be INWB is a retired or active attorney/lawyer?
If so, he could be banned to comment per the bar association.
In my experiance, it is their duty to change the subject or just not comment on these matters. |
Well, I haven't commented because I don't believe that alot of these "facts" being discussed are really accurate. In many cases, the word choices being used are deceptive. I advise everyone to think about the sources you get your "research" from; if we were having a debate about abortion you couldn't legitimately use Planned Parenthood as your primary source of information - similarly, you cannot use the internet-forum-musings of people who live "outside the law" to build an accurate representation of the Federal Reserve. At least the PP people would most likely be well-versed on their topic... what kind of educational background do the people authoring some of this Federal Reserve stuff have?
I never understood the appeal of the conspiracy theory... and that is what all this talk of a "secret society" is.  |
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| geb9696 |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiman4 |
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most likely it should.
if it were a society, would it be the freemasons? are there many other societies like the masons that we do not yet know about? |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
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| Kiman4 wrote: | most likely it should.
if it were a society, would it be the freemasons? are there many other societies like the masons that we do not yet know about? |
I'll move it to the off-topic section - didn't realize where it was.
But to continue, I love how so many people feel the need to try to figure out the "real truth" behind how the world works. The whole secret society thing is, for lack of a better word, rubbish. Trust me, I asked my friend in the Illuminati. |
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| jacobnbr1 |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 6:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett wrote: | | jacobnbr1 wrote: | | frusnak wrote: | | I am suprised INWB has not had any input on this a far a what makes frn's, euro's or anything else for that matter worth anything. The term intrinsic value comes to mind. Other than food, water and shelter everything else's value is up to debate. |
I too was wondering why he didn't chime in.
Could it be INWB is a retired or active attorney/lawyer?
If so, he could be banned to comment per the bar association.
In my experiance, it is their duty to change the subject or just not comment on these matters. |
Well, I haven't commented because I don't believe that alot of these "facts" being discussed are really accurate. In many cases, the word choices being used are deceptive. I advise everyone to think about the sources you get your "research" from; if we were having a debate about abortion you couldn't legitimately use Planned Parenthood as your primary source of information - similarly, you cannot use the internet-forum-musings of people who live "outside the law" to build an accurate representation of the Federal Reserve. At least the PP people would most likely be well-versed on their topic... what kind of educational background do the people authoring some of this Federal Reserve stuff have?
I never understood the appeal of the conspiracy theory... and that is what all this talk of a "secret society" is. |
I am not saying it is true or it is false, but where can a person get actual facts of this? The fed? 
Also, why would it be a mandatory issue in an investment class if it were not true? were they trying to tell me somthing?
The fact that scares me most is how we all are supposidly slaved for commodity reasons.
Why are we labeled "HUMAN RESCORCES" whilst working for a corporation? Because we as slave are in fact a commodity.
This issue dates allllll-the way back to the 14th amendment, and further is a covered-up "CONSPIRACY" by the masses.
The fact that i pulled a message board up that have current issues going on now is mind boggling.. If this were some type of scam of a get out of debt free deal ,there wouldn't be real people with real conversations and idea's being exchanged. Maybe it would be old and have post from the 80's possibly early 90's .
There are countless forums on google that are full of current people with issues and ideas, i didn't check them all but i visited atleast a dozen of them and browsed their post's.
You got a lawyer buddie or friend? ask him what the true usage of ucc-1 is. tell him you need to do a bill of exchange or demand a vod to a corporation, Ask him if he is prohibited to comment due to the bar association, and see if he don't quickly change the subject or mislead you to another issue. |
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| jacobnbr1 |
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A pre filled questineer of a phone call of facts that the masses are in control.
You don't have to take my word for it, print this out and call the fed with the same questions and see for yourself.
I made it to question 4 before they told me "no comment" to any future questions. This letter is old and i remember seeing it in early 2000 when i was duing my studies of this. They probaly have somone call once a week.
The following is a conversation with Mr. Ron Supinski of the Public Information Department of the San Francisco Federal Reserve Bank. This is an account of that conversation.
CALLER - Mr. Supinski, does my country own the Federal Reserve System?
MR. SUPINSKI - We are an agency of the government.
CALLER - That's not my question. Is it owned by my country?
MR. SUPINSKI - It is an agency of the government created by congress.
CALLER - Is the Federal Reserve a Corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Does my government own any of the stock in the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI - No, it is owned by the member banks.
CALLER - Are the member banks private corporations?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Are Federal Reserve Notes backed by anything?
MR. SUPINSKI-Yes, by the assets of the Federal Reserve but, primarily by the power of congress to lay tax on the people.
CALLER - Did you say, by the power to collect taxes is what backs Federal Reserve Notes?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - What are the total assets of the Federal Reserve?
MR. SUPINSKI - The San Francisco Bank has $36 Billion in assets.
CALLER - What are these assets composed of?
MR. SUPINSKI - Gold, the Federal Reserve Bank itself and government securities.
CALLER - What value does the Federal Reserve Bank carry gold per oz. on their books?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don't have that information but the San Francisco Bank has $1.6 billion in gold.
CALLER - Are you saying the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco has $1.6 billion in gold, the bank itself and the balance of the assets is government securities?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes.
CALLER - Where does the Federal Reserve get Federal Reserve Notes from?
MR. SUPINSKI - They are authorized by the Treasury.
CALLER - How much does the Federal Reserve pay for a $10 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI - Fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER - How much do they pay for a $100.00 Federal Reserve Note?
MR. SUPINSKI - The same fifty to seventy cents.
CALLER - To pay only fifty cents for a $100.00 is a tremendous gain, isn't it?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - According to the US Treasury, the Federal Reserve pays $20.60 per 1,000 denomination or a little over two cents for a $100.00 bill, is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI - That is probably close.
CALLER - Doesn't the Federal Reserve use the Federal Reserve Notes that cost about two cents each to purchase US Bonds from the government?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, but there is more to it than that.
CALLER - Basically, that is what happens?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, basically you are correct.
CALLER - How many Federal Reserve Notes are in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - $263 billion and we can only account for a small percentage.
CALLER - Where did they go?
MR. SUPINSKI - Peoples mattress, buried in their back yards and illegal drug money.
CALLER - Since the debt is payable in Federal Reserve Notes, how can the $4 trillion national debt be paid-off with the total Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know.
CALLER - If the Federal Government would collect every Federal Reserve Note in circulation would it be mathematically possible to pay the $4 trillion national debt?
MR. SUPINSKI - No
CALLER - Am I correct when I say, $1 deposited in a member bank $8 can be lent out through Fractional Reserve Policy?
MR. SUPINSKI - About $7.
CALLER - Correct me if I am wrong but, $7 of additional Federal Reserve Notes were never put in circulation. But, for lack of better words were "created out of thin air " in the form of credits and the two cents per denomination were not paid either. In other words, the Federal Reserve Notes were not physically printed but, in reality were created by a journal entry and lent at interest. Is that correct?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Is that the reason there are only $263 billion Federal Reserve Notes in circulation?
MR. SUPINSKI - That is part of the reason.
CALLER - Am I mistaking that when the Federal Reserve Act was passed (on Christmas Eve) in 1913, it transferred the power to coin and issue our nation's money and to regulate the value thereof from Congress to a Private corporation. And my country now borrows what should be our own money from the Federal Reserve (a private corporation) plus interest. Is that correct and the debt can never be paid off under the current money system of country?
MR. SUPINSKI - Basically, yes.
CALLER - I smell a rat, do you?
MR. SUPINSKI - I am sorry, I can't answer that, I work here.
CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been independently audited?
MR. SUPINSKI - We are audited.
CALLER - Why is there a current House Resolution 1486 calling for a complete audit of the Federal Reserve by the GAO and why is the Federal Reserve resisting?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know.
CALLER - Does the Federal Reserve regulate the value of Federal Reserve Notes and interest rates?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes
CALLER - Explain how the Federal Reserve System can be Constitutional if, only the Congress of the US, which comprises of the Senate and the House of representatives has the power to coin and issue our money supply and regulate the value thereof? [Article 1 Section 1 and Section 8] Nowhere, in the Constitution does it give Congress the power or authority to transfer any powers granted under the Constitution to a private corporation or, does it?
MR. SUPINSKI - I am not an expert on constitutional law. I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER - I can tell you I have read the Constitution. It does NOT provide that any power granted can be transferred to a private corporation. Doesn't it specifically state, all other powers not granted are reserved to the States and to the citizens? Does that mean to a private corporation?
MR. SUPINSKI - I don't think so, but we were created by Congress.
CALLER - Would you agree it is our country and it should be our money as provided by our Constitution?
MR. SUPINSKI - I understand what you are saying.
CALLER - Why should we borrow our own money from a private consortium of bankers? Isn't this why we had a revolution, created a separate sovereign nation and a Bill of Rights?
MR. SUPINSKI - (Declined to answer).
CALLER - Has the Federal Reserve ever been declared constitutional by the Supreme Court?
MR. SUPINSKI - I believe there has been court cases on the matter.
CALLER - Have there been Supreme Court Cases?
MR. SUPINSKI - I think so, but I am not sure.
CALLER - Didn't the Supreme Court declare unanimously in A.L.A. Schechter Poultry Corp. vs. US and Carter vs. Carter Coal Co. the corporative-state arrangement an unconstitutional delegation of legislative power? ["The power conferred is the power to regulate. This is legislative delegation in its most obnoxious form; for it is not even delegation to an official or an official body, presumptively disinterested, but to private persons." Carter vs. Carter Coal Co...]
MR. SUPINSKI - I don't know, I can refer you to our legal department.
CALLER - Isn't the current money system a house of cards that must fall because, the debt can mathematically never be paid-off?
MR. SUPINSKI - It appears that way. I can tell you have been looking into this matter and are very knowledgeable. However, we do have a solution.
CALLER - What is the solution?
MR. SUPINSKI - The Debit Card.
CALLER - Do you mean under the EFT Act (Electronic Funds Transfer)? Isn't that very frightening, when one considers the capabilities of computers? It would provide the government and all it's agencies, including the Federal Reserve such information as: You went to the gas station @ 2:30 and bought $10.00 of unleaded gas @ $1.41 per gallon and then you went to the grocery store @ 2:58 and bought bread, lunch meat and milk for $12.32 and then went to the drug store @ 3:30 and bought cold medicine for $5.62. In other words, they would know where we go, when we went, how much we paid, how much the merchant paid and how much profit he made. Under the EFT they will literally know everything about us. Isn't that kind of scary?
MR. SUPINSKI - Yes, it makes you wonder.
CALLER - I smell a GIANT RAT that has overthrown my constitution. Aren't we paying tribute in the form of income taxes to a consortium of private bankers?
MR. SUPINSKI - I can't call it tribute, it is interest.
CALLER - Haven't all elected officials taken an oath of office to preserve and defend the Constitution from enemies both foreign and domestic? Isn't the Federal Reserve a domestic enemy?
MR. SUPINSKI - I can't say that.
CALLER - Our elected officials and members of the Federal Reserve are guilty of aiding and abetting the overthrowing of my Constitution and that is treason. Isn't the punishment of treason death?
MR. SUPINSKI - I believe so.
CALLER - Thank you for your time and information and if I may say so, I think you should take the necessary steps to protect you and your family and withdraw your money from the banks before the collapse, I am.
MR. SUPINSKI - It doesn't look good.
CALLER - May God have mercy on the souls who are behind this unconstitutional and criminal act called the Federal Reserve. When the ALMIGHTY MASS awakens to this giant hoax, they will not take it with a grain of salt. It has been a pleasure talking to you and I thank you for your time. I hope you will take my advice before it does collapse.
MR. SUPINSKI - Unfortunately, it does not look good.
CALLER - Have a good day and thanks for your time.
MR. SUPINSKI - Thanks for calling.
If the reader has any doubts to the validity of this conversation, call your nearest Federal Reserve Bank, YOU KNOW THE QUESTIONS TO ASK! You won't find them listed under the Federal Government. They are in the white pages, along with Federal Express, Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. (FDIC), and any other business. Find out for yourself if all this is true. |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
| Posted: Mon Dec 04, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| jacobnbr1 wrote: | The fact that i pulled a message board up that have current issues going on now is mind boggling.. If this were some type of scam of a get out of debt free deal ,there wouldn't be real people with real conversations and idea's being exchanged. Maybe it would be old and have post from the 80's possibly early 90's .
There are countless forums on google that are full of current people with issues and ideas, i didn't check them all but i visited atleast a dozen of them and browsed their post's. |
The fact that people are discussing something in the present lends no credence whatsoever to that topic having any validity. Maybe its a bad time and crowd to bring this up with, but did the CIA kill Kennedy? Did NASA fake the moon landing? Did Elvis die or did he just go home (Tommy Lee Jones, Men in Black  )? How about 9-11 conspiracies (Loose Change)? Were all those events planned by the U.S. government?
I want you to think about how logical the arguments made in those conspiracy theories sound. The most convincing arguments can probably be made by the 9-11 crowd, unless you happen to know something about engineering, or at least have a "buddy or friend" who does.
Let me offer a sample of the kind of people who offer these conspiracy websites. I will note that the bottom of the website requests that anyone interested in learning the program send a money order in with the "pay to" line blank. Sounds reasonable...
| www.freedomain.com/redemption1.html wrote: | | "Redemption" is a process and philosophy developed by R. over the last 10 years or so. As he was learning this process, he made mistakes, which landed him and several others in jail over different periods of time. This does not mean he is a criminal or was ever intending to break the law, as some people assume. He is a farmer, who was dealing with various forms of negotiable and non-negotiable instruments through his occupation, and he was also privy to knowledge of the Federal Reserve system in this country, and how it operates. In his search for truth, he uncovered the most important knowledge being kept from us, in relation to our present situation of economic bondage. This information and the importance of it could only be inspired by one source, and R's dedication to that source (God), and an inner quest for truth. |
Lovely. Unless you can provide some substantiative evidence that the Federal Reserve is linked to the Priory of Sion, Skull and Bones, the Freemasons, Mary Magdelene, and the Trix Rabbit, the prosecution is about to rest with the argument that this is all a crock.
| Quote: | | You got a lawyer buddie or friend? ask him what the true usage of ucc-1 is. tell him you need to do a bill of exchange or demand a vod to a corporation, Ask him if he is prohibited to comment due to the bar association, and see if he don't quickly change the subject or mislead you to another issue. |
You could say I have one. I won't bother wasting his time until I have some good reason for starting a chase into the realms of the patently absurd though. In legal terms, the burden of proof is on you. |
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| frusnak |
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Hey, wait a minute there INWB. You can trash talk all you want and accuse us of being coocoo but leave the trixx rabbit out of this!!!!
Sorry for having this in the wrong topic, like I said there was some beer involved. Thanks for your contrairian comments! |
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| frusnak |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett wrote: | | jacobnbr1 wrote: | The fact that i pulled a message board up that have current issues going on now is mind boggling.. If this were some type of scam of a get out of debt free deal ,there wouldn't be real people with real conversations and idea's being exchanged. Maybe it would be old and have post from the 80's possibly early 90's .
There are countless forums on google that are full of current people with issues and ideas, i didn't check them all but i visited atleast a dozen of them and browsed their post's. |
The fact that people are discussing something in the present lends no credence whatsoever to that topic having any validity. Maybe its a bad time and crowd to bring this up with, but did the CIA kill Kennedy? Did NASA fake the moon landing? Did Elvis die or did he just go home (Tommy Lee Jones, Men in Black )? How about 9-11 conspiracies (Loose Change)? Were all those events planned by the U.S. government?
I want you to think about how logical the arguments made in those conspiracy theories sound. The most convincing arguments can probably be made by the 9-11 crowd, unless you happen to know something about engineering, or at least have a "buddy or friend" who does.
Let me offer a sample of the kind of people who offer these conspiracy websites. I will note that the bottom of the website requests that anyone interested in learning the program send a money order in with the "pay to" line blank. Sounds reasonable...
| www.freedomain.com/redemption1.html wrote: | | "Redemption" is a process and philosophy developed by R. over the last 10 years or so. As he was learning this process, he made mistakes, which landed him and several others in jail over different periods of time. This does not mean he is a criminal or was ever intending to break the law, as some people assume. He is a farmer, who was dealing with various forms of negotiable and non-negotiable instruments through his occupation, and he was also privy to knowledge of the Federal Reserve system in this country, and how it operates. In his search for truth, he uncovered the most important knowledge being kept from us, in relation to our present situation of economic bondage. This information and the importance of it could only be inspired by one source, and R's dedication to that source (God), and an inner quest for truth. |
Lovely. Unless you can provide some substantiative evidence that the Federal Reserve is linked to the Priory of Sion, Skull and Bones, the Freemasons, Mary Magdelene, and the Trix Rabbit, the prosecution is about to rest with the argument that this is all a crock.
| Quote: | | You got a lawyer buddie or friend? ask him what the true usage of ucc-1 is. tell him you need to do a bill of exchange or demand a vod to a corporation, Ask him if he is prohibited to comment due to the bar association, and see if he don't quickly change the subject or mislead you to another issue. |
You could say I have one. I won't bother wasting his time until I have some good reason for starting a chase into the realms of the patently absurd though. In legal terms, the burden of proof is on you. |
The same can be said about doing research about a particular stock. How do you know the information is real? This includes the "factual figures" you us to come up with your analysis. The time of the internet and all the "information" available really makes it easier for the secret society to remain so.
Just for example, INWB, you could be an agent for them and are creating doubt by what you are saying using your information and logic to muddle the thought processes.
My original comments came from my life's observations and an attempt to comment on how I perseive society to be structured. Nothing else. As goofy as it may sound to some people, there is a possibility of these things occuring and it is much easier to not face the possibility! That's the thought and reason I brought this up. And honestly I wasn't aware of all the other boards and people who are wondering the same thing as I was. This kinda upsets me cause as usual my "original idea" isn't!!!! |
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| jacobnbr1 |
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The plan of the masses has worked qite well.
In fact sooner or later there will be no more churches, churches and worship is where it all starts. Thats why they need to go.
It was said "to buck the system you have to fight every citizen of the us" We the people of the us are so proud to be slave-driven for the ol mighty debt and will defend its jepordy.
As far as BOE- bills of exchange, do we not do this whilst at the store?
They have a bill for 20.00 and you have a bill for 20.00 FRN-20.
The FRN is a bill to the fed for 20 that will never be cashed for coinage- The bill from the store is a bill to you for a + figure. How can two + figures make it 0?
The answer is: it don't! What actually has happened is the merchant accepted the FRN as an exchange ( two bills of exchange)for the possibilaty to cash one. It is no more than trading options that will more than likley expire or be void sometime in the future. As the wndxq stock shares did when the FED judge allowed them to reaplpy for a new ticker thus voiding all their debt.( leaving the share holders with the burdon of loss)
We the people are the share holders here, do we not care if we save foney money all our lives to be void?
Anyway, nothin normally ever gets done about it. People just continue with their lives and hope they don't ever have to worry about it.
After all, it has worked since1933 who said it would ever fail? hince (social security) |
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| jacobnbr1 |
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The way i have seen it for years upon years it has been our choice weather we choose what statues we shall follow.
common law or corp. law. unfortunatly it is force fed upon us the choice when we are born and our parents do the wrong thing and fill out the birth certificates. |
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| frusnak wrote: | | Just for example, INWB, you could be an agent for them and are creating doubt by what you are saying using your information and logic to muddle the thought processes. |
Wow, I guess you guys are on to me. This entire time I've been a plant from the FBI, monitoring all your actions... |
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