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| nelaina |
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| i find it strange how one station (here in NJ) will be selling regular for like $2.02 per gallon, but across the street you have another selling it for $2.21...how can that work? I estimate gas in this area will hover just around the $2 mark for a while. i was not living in nj for the past 8 years until this year, but i remember how my family in NJ would boast about how gas was under $1 per gallon a few years ago while i was paying about $1.50-$1.75 in colorado...i always thougt nj was one of the states who had the lowest prices, and even now im sure cali is paying at least 40 cents more per gallon |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
| Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2005 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| I've seen (regular) gas on the same day cost $2.02 and $2.83 - it was on different sides of town, but still only like 4 miles apart. I don't think I've ever seen a price discrepancy that large before. |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 2:19 am Post subject: |
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 prices range from $2.15-$2.26 you got to give it to big oil, no one can come close to them with pricing except maybe grocery chains. Now prices are creeping back up for what reason...oh yeah, we've accepted the bottom out prices now they can bring them back up until we start complaining. Then the politicians will question their reason for the increase then they will lower the price a little then up..... you get the picture. This will continue as long as we use oil.  |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
| Posted: Sun Dec 25, 2005 9:41 am Post subject: |
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| geb9696 wrote: | | The Corvette also has a back seat and for the price of those you can get the model with over 500 hp. Those cars can not touch the vette performance wise. |
The Corvette does not have a backseat, unless you consider tying people to the roof suitable...  . Its a two seater.
The Corvette Z06 does 0-60 mph in slightly under 4 seconds with a base price of $66,000. The 400 horsepower model does 0-60 mph in the mid to low 4 second range. Price for that is about $45000. That said, I would still rather have a German car than a Corvette (or any other American car). They look nicer inside and out, drive better, and the performance for a mid-level model is almost as good as the best American manufacturers have to offer. The Corvette is an unabashed sportscar; it doesn't pretend to be anything else. Still, a well-tuned German sedan is just as fast. I'm not trying to knock Corvettes, but I don't like them and would never buy one. Go with whatever floats your boat, but when I think of the best cars, the ones I want to drive, my thoughts will head across the Atlantic.
Happy Festivus. |
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:00 am Post subject: |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett wrote: | | geb9696 wrote: | | The Corvette also has a back seat and for the price of those you can get the model with over 500 hp. Those cars can not touch the vette performance wise. |
The Corvette does not have a backseat, unless you consider tying people to the roof suitable... . Its a two seater.
The Corvette Z06 does 0-60 mph in slightly under 4 seconds with a base price of $66,000. The 400 horsepower model does 0-60 mph in the mid to low 4 second range. Price for that is about $45000. That said, I would still rather have a German car than a Corvette (or any other American car). They look nicer inside and out, drive better, and the performance for a mid-level model is almost as good as the best American manufacturers have to offer. The Corvette is an unabashed sportscar; it doesn't pretend to be anything else. Still, a well-tuned German sedan is just as fast. I'm not trying to knock Corvettes, but I don't like them and would never buy one. Go with whatever floats your boat, but when I think of the best cars, the ones I want to drive, my thoughts will head across the Atlantic.
Happy Festivus. |
I can get you a 2006 Corvette ZO6 for about 6-7K over MSRP right now, the dealers will pay that amongst each other, so when you see a $66K price for a ZO6 don't kid yourself, ZO6 Corvette prices are in the frenzy mode with retail customers paying as much as $85K to get one, you can definitely buy a non ZO6 coupe or convertible for less than MSRP though, and you can buy leftover 2005 Vettes that were never titled for below dealer cost, the Corvette market is telling us pretty much the same thing as what the retail stores in general are telling us, if you have more money than sense you will waste it and it doesn't matter, but for 90% of the consumers a sale or a very low monthly payment is all that matters, I think that's where the U.S. carmakers are headed, don't worry about the cost, just make da payment affordable, now if you are looking for a real bargain I can get you a 2005 Chrysler Crossfire of any type for at least $3000 below dealer cost! now dats a bahgin!  |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 5:38 am Post subject: |
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| geb9696 wrote: | | The Corvette also has a back seat and for the price of those you can get the model with over 500 hp. Those cars can not touch the vette performance wise. |
Obviously you've never been in a real Corvette. This car has never in its 50 year plus history offered a production model with anything over two seats.
I don't mind the comparison to various other cars. What's missing (and what some people just don't "get" which is certainly fine) is the mystique that goes along with the car. I wanted a 'vette from the time I was small. I was fortunate enough in trading during the late 90's to make enough money to realize that dream. Once I got my car it was like joining a club. Corvette owners wave to other 'vette owners, even if they've never seen them before. 'Vette owners go to club meetings, road rally's, and picnics. It's like my wife said... "I knew we were buying a car, I didn't realize we were buying a life-style." The 'vette is the only car in the world to have a non-profit museum dedicated to the history of the car.
An earlier competitor to the 'vette was the early Thunderbird. Look at all of the variations that car has been through.
M3 has a back seat, so does the Porshe. The M3 is a modified version of the 3-series, how many are made every year? A car magazine recently ran a road test between the top-line 'vette and the top-line Porshe. The 'vette was at the same level of performance in every category (within a few fractions of a second over or under the Porshe) yet costs half as much. The Z-06 'vette does 0-60 in first gear (on a six speed) in under 4 seconds. It has a lateral g-force (skid pad) number that is off the charts.
I understand that some folks don't care about the 'vette, it's performance characteristics, or its history. That doesn't change the fact that it's an amazing piece of automotive history, along with an incredible feat of engineering.
Corvette C5's were the first production car to use a hydroformed frame. Now you'll find this technology in lots of other cars. GM uses the Corvette as a test-bed for new technology like the new magnetic suspension system and the heads-up display found in the current models.
As you can tell, I'm passionate about the cars.  If given a line-up of cars that listed above and asked to choose, it's the Vette, every time, no contest. |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:53 am Post subject: |
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 I have never owned a vette. Because along with 50/50 syndrom I also suffer from lead footiosis which kicks in when ever I get into close proximity to high performance cars. I have, however driven numerous performance cars and nothing comes close to the torque(G-force) of an american vee-eight. feel the asphalt ripping up along with the rear tires, oh yeah!  |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
| Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2005 12:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Rathbun wrote: | M3 has a back seat, so does the Porshe. The M3 is a modified version of the 3-series, how many are made every year?
I understand that some folks don't care about the 'vette, it's performance characteristics, or its history. That doesn't change the fact that it's an amazing piece of automotive history, along with an incredible feat of engineering.
As you can tell, I'm passionate about the cars. If given a line-up of cars that listed above and asked to choose, it's the Vette, every time, no contest. |
M3s are quite common, I don't think theres any huge backlog (if any) to get one. I know people who have looked into buying one in 3 different places (New Jersey, Massachusetts, and the BMW factory in Germany) and have found that all those places had models in stock, and the exact type they wanted could be obtained in about one month. So no big deal there.
And its great that you love Corvettes, I just don't happen to like them. I'm much more interested in the engineering feats of the German automakers. Despite our differences, can we all be friends and shed some tears over this horrible picture?
That is (or was) a Carrera GT. About $450,000 in a shattered, smoking heap there.  |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Fri May 05, 2006 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Dave Rathbun wrote: | What makes me mad is that diesel is now more expensive than premium gasoline. Go figure. I traded in my old truck (gas hog) and got a diesel. Mileage has definitely improved, but cost may net out the same.
Paid $2.59 for diesel on the last fillup. Regular gas was $2.05 at the same station. |
Not today. Diesel was $2.85 a gallon, and the cheapest gas was $2.99. Premium unleaded was $3.15 at the same station. I traded a gas-guzzler pickup truck for a diesel-guzzler pickup truck in order to get the better mileage and longer lasting engine. Until now the net cost had been about the same, with the better mileage being offset by the higher price of fuel. Now I'm finally on the right end of the equation. |
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| pepe |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| vetelmo |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| LOL, I uised to drive over 2000 miles a month as a Sales Rep, I just applied for a telecommuting job. I got my fingers crossed, I definitely don't want to be driving too much in my next job. Especially with the gas prices the wat they are. |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Did you get a gas allowance? If not, the per mile deduction that you get is generally decent. They changed it for the latter part of the year last year as well, increasing it when the big spike in prices came around. |
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| vetelmo |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| At the time i was getting $625 non-taxed car allowance, it was kinda nice! But it never really covered everything. |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Did any of you read about the gas bank? People bought gas and stored it in a bank, and they're making withdrawals at $0.99 a gallon, some of them anyway. One person (or company more likely) but $400,000 in gas into the bank. I'll see about digging up a link. |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Mon May 08, 2006 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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First Fuel Banks
There are several news articles floating around if you google for the company name you'll find some. It's an interesting business model. |
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