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| goldguy2 |
 Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 6:41 am Post subject: Global warming. |
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Having various professional scientists who regularly refer me to articles about the effects of global warming and where it's headed because of Homo sapiens' reluctance to make real changes to deal with it, I believe there is money to be made as sea levels rise and floods swallow low areas, hurricanes devastate whole cities, animal species die off or migrate out of their traditional homes, and other major events unfold. Fishing fleets are having to go farther to gather smaller yields. There are many other examples of changes that are starting to speed up.
Maybe the stock markets eventually will become moot as global warming kills off all life on earth. I hope that's a silly speculation and don't plan to convert all my stocks into cash. Besides, then cash wouldn't have value either. As they say, you can't take it with you.
I'm wondering how some traders are benefiting in finding stocks that do well as global warming advances. Solar energy, houses on stilts, buying more raincoats and umbrellas? Or does nobody care about it? |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:32 am Post subject: |
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| The present administration in D.C. has it's scientists who discount the whole global warming issue. The reasons for it could be a natural occurences and/or man made. |
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| goldguy2 |
| Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 8:46 am Post subject: |
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Frus, I know about those anti-warming scientists but don't quite trust them any more than a medical team paid by a Kraft grant that comes up with a finding that secondhand smoke is not harmful. Of course we won't truly know whether global warming cause by humans or mother nature until after it's played out, which could leave us all dead if geological evidence of previous warming sessions are believed. A high EPA official recently was chastized for muzzling one of the agency's scientists, including altering his reports to tone down their findings on global warming before allowing them to be released to the public. That's sort of like Hitler's propaganda guys actually changing history books to make themselves sound better. Books they couldn't change, they burned. To me such paranoia is a sign of insecurity.
About 30 years ago I tried investing in wind energy, solar energy, fish farms, etc. Lost my pants. Now all this stuff seems to be coming back. |
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| poornewb |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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Hey gold guy I hope youve been able to buy your pants back! j/k
As far as global warming goes, we have been coming out of an ice age for the last million years. give or take a few thousands, WAIT WAIT, yes I beleive that we humans are not helping one bit and could be speeding up the process, One thing about this tiny planet we call earth is it has a strange way of killing things off. Whether your a New ager Or a Christian, everybody knows and has there storys, Dinosaurs? Noah's Arc? Wooly mamoth?(sp) Someday Humans? |
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| goldguy2 |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Poor, when I lost my pants I shifted to a barrel. A tad heavy, but much sturdier and I can tack notes all around the inside.
Seriously, I have several scientist pals and they all agree global warming is coming and at an increasing pace. They don't all agree that humans are the cause, but they blame us for exacerbating the phenomenon. One day our pursuit of things and comfort won't matter. Survival will be the keyword. And at the rate we're reproducing globally a heckuva lot of people will be affected. Earth has regularly clobbered its life forms, you're right. Only a time traveler or God herself could witness these destructive sequences when conditions change so drastically that humans could not survive. The Ice Age was the last severe time, yet Abominable Snowmen could live in such circumstances as they're rumored to do on Mt. Everest. But if Alaska becomes the next tropical zone, what would that do to Colorado, Arizona, Mexico? We'd all be hot dogs without buns. Or not. I'm 75 and don't expect to be around long enough for the final outcome. |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 11:30 pm Post subject: |
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I read an article that claims when the ice melts to a certain point the fresh water will alter the ocean currents and cause a drop in temperatures.  |
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| poornewb |
| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| frusnak wrote: | | I read an article that claims when the ice melts to a certain point the fresh water will alter the ocean currents and cause a drop in temperatures. |
I think I saw a documentary on that either pbs or history channel, talking about how the salinity will be effected in the ocean. |
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| goldguy2 |
| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 4:54 am Post subject: |
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| Frus and Poor, the problem IMHO isn't scientists disagreeing over data, it's data seemingly disagreeing with itself. I've seen stories about winter in Europe being extremely severe the past few years -- from global warming changing ocean currents and keeping the Gulf Stream away from Europe. Just now I read about temps in one Russian area being numbingly cold and killing hundreds of people from temperatures as low as 61 below zero, while another Russian area reports problems because ice is too thin for hunters to go out on after deer that are suffering from the unusual warmth. I don't blame scientists for being confused by such spikes up and down in global weather. |
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| Dave Rathbun |
| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:05 am Post subject: |
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| I don't think it's debatable that the global temperature has been rising over the past two centuries. There is plenty of evidence to support that. What people can't seem to agree on is the cause. |
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| Benjamin |
| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Personally I've always believed the Sun has way more to do with it than scientists believe.
Something that gigantic with a delicate balance of it collapsing on it self and all the nuclear reations it's going through stays exactly the same temperature all the time?
I believe the sun may go through phases of slightly hotter and cooler spells which result in ice ages and times of extreme drought here on Earth. |
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| Benjamin |
| Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2006 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| poornewb wrote: | | frusnak wrote: | | I read an article that claims when the ice melts to a certain point the fresh water will alter the ocean currents and cause a drop in temperatures. |
I think I saw a documentary on that either pbs or history channel, talking about how the salinity will be effected in the ocean. |
They also made it into a movie "The Day After Tomorrow" |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Fri Apr 07, 2006 2:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I believe it's a combination of factors. There's no doubt that the industrial age has had an impact on our enviroment. Volcanos can also cause extreme change as well as drought with the dust storm they can produce. |
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| scampf |
| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: |
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In answer to the original question, yes there is a way to make money on disaster.
I am a contractor in Ft Lauderdale. I would say 50% of the roof's here suffered damage from Hurricane Wilma. These roof's needed emergency repairs right after the storm.
TARPS
PLYWOOD
ROOFING MAERIALS
TILE
SHINGLES
DRIP EDGE
METAL PANELS
The list goes on and on. Home depot had to do well with storm supplies
I know Walmart preships storm supplies ahead of a Hurricane making landfall. I have had the misfortune of shopping in a Walmart pre-storm. They may as well be printing money when these Hurricanes hit.
Anyway. Just my humble opinion |
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| poornewb |
| Posted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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True to what everybody has said, theres not one statement I would say yes or no too. I would almost like to see a documentary on what Ben was saying about the sun going through stages. Remember a few years ago when it was throwing off solar flares more than usual??
Also think about the dust storms of Oklahoma and Texas during the depresion. I dont think that humans had made enough gas to cause a drought like that. OF COURSE that was before the government could control the weather!!!!!! |
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| emkie |
| Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2006 4:56 am Post subject: |
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I believe our society has had A LOT to do with global warming.
Dangerous chemicals such as CFC's which were in coolants, fridges, etc. take approximately 10-15 years to reach the highest level of our stratosphere (since they are heavier than air).
Now CFC's are chemically made up of carbon, fluoride, and chlorine. The ozone layer is all O3 (3 oxygen molecules attached to make one whole molecule).
When you take chemistry, you know that the UV radiation would break down the CFC, releasing the chlorine molecules of the compound. The chlorine molecules in CFC would break down the O3, changing the O3 molecules to O2 which is just regular oxygen. (CL + O3 -> CLO + O2) Therefore.. our ozone which is our UV protection is being completely broken down into regular oxygen.
The Montreal Protocol has had a lot to do with the phasing out of CFC's, but unfortunately.. it can take 10 to 15 years just to reach our stratosphere so we are still seeing new effects from CFC's that were used so long ago.
It's interesting to also note that 2005 was the warmest year in Canada in a period of a century. (I'm not about the States, although wasn't it NASA that released this info? Again, I'm not entirely sure.)
I do agree with Ben in that the sun's natural ability to get hotter is probably also a factor which needs to be considered in the coming years. However, logically we also play a major role in what is happening.
It will be interesting to see our world in 50 years if our nations really clean up their act. Over time O3 can slowly regenerate itself, but it would take probably 50 years to fully do this.
Personally, I'm going to start looking at companies that deal with wind energy. I hope that it can make it big in some area's of Canada. I know there is one company that is trying to push for it here, but I can't think of it off the top of my head. Wind energy is very big in Denmark, and I think it could show a promising future elsewhere.
There's also an Ottawa company (Iogen) that has found a way to create cellulose ethanol from the byproducts left behind from corn, fully usable as gasoline. (The byproducts are not useful for anything and were previously burned, again releasing harmful pollutants into our air). |
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