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| jdunn72 |
 Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 5:50 am Post subject: HRAY..... Like taking candy from a baby????? |
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I love the looks and price of this one what do you guys think...... It's in an earnings growth slump that I believe may have it significantly undervalued..
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=hray |
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| poornewb |
| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:05 am Post subject: |
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Wether there in a earnings slump or not buyers do not like it when companys dont meet or exceed the markets estimates for them. Theyve already anounced that they probably will not meet there Q1 quata.
Boston, Feb 27, 2006 (MidnightTrader via COMTEX) -- Hurray! (HRAY) says Q4 sales were $16 million, matching the FC mean. Earnings per ADS were $0.13, less than the FC mean for $0.17.
2005 sales were $62.4 million, below the FC mean for $63 million. Earnings per ADS were $0.87, below the FC mean for $0.93.
Q1 sales are seen between $16.5-17.5 million, below the FC mean for $18 million.
Its Board approved a stock buyback of up to $15 million.
Price: 8.04, Change: -0.16, Percent Change: -1.95 |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 6:48 am Post subject: |
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jdunn, I agree with what you say about earnings. Here's some info I found about the company...
52 week $11.80 - $7.51
200dma $9.24
50dma $8.63
22million shares outstanding
48% float 
52% inside ownership
32% institutional ownership
net profit margin 29.8%
return on equity 16.2%
It looks tempting but.....there aren't many shares available for public trading which makes this a volitile stock. It is near it's 52 wk low, a chinese company(what chinese gov. controls or regulations are in effect to keep their companies on the up & up?) and it's only been listed for a year. |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:00 am Post subject: |
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| frusnak wrote: | | ............It is near it's 52 wk low, a chinese company(what chinese gov. controls or regulations are in effect to keep their companies on the up & up?) and it's only been listed for a year. |
Well, the Chinese have a very long outlook on things and the gov't doesn't want it's reputation spoiled for investors (unethical CFO's could face serious cainings and long prison terms unlike the short jaunts to the country clubs we put them in over here  ), but besides that what I really found interesting is the companies P/E and PEG ratios in reference to their current price point value, So far it's holding within a couple of cents from my entry point of 7.71 this AM.  |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 06, 2006 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| They seem to be holding at this level with modest gains so far now @ 7.79. |
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| Im Not Warren Buffett |
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| frusnak wrote: | | It looks tempting but.....there aren't many shares available for public trading which makes this a volitile stock. It is near it's 52 wk low, a chinese company(what chinese gov. controls or regulations are in effect to keep their companies on the up & up?) and it's only been listed for a year. |
I've been looking into the whole international-stock fund volatility issue, and country specific risk premiums, and have started to wonder how much all that matters. I understand you will likely see larger movements (in both directions) from a stock in emerging market than in the U.S., but here is my concern: as much as we hear about how Russia is devolving into an authoritarian hell, Templeton Russia, an ETF, has nearly doubled since I started tracking it in July 2005.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TRF
Is this just a fluke pick, or is something good actually happening in Russia, to the contradiction of news reports? And what implications, if any, does this have for other emerging markets, especially with those carrying concerns about the safety of capital? |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Very impressive 5yr return. I guess the problem is we sometimes over analize stocks and hesitate and miss opportunities instead of just going with what looks good. |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 5:08 am Post subject: |
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| frusnak wrote: | | Very impressive 5yr return. I guess the problem is we sometimes over analize stocks and hesitate and miss opportunities instead of just going with what looks good. |
I don't know, I like blackjack, and poker but, I sure won't play dice. The more understanding of a company you have the better and the lack thereof the worse. Russia has a lot of raw resources and a hungry for money population, yet they just can't seem to get over the corruption to make a great economy. That is scary, they have politicians and I am sure corporate execs like ours (two faced liars ) but, China is very clear and straightforward with national policies and corporate laws and there is usually no grey area about either (very much unlike us), from my observations economic trade almost always trumps foreign policy in China. |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| HRAY still holding at 7.78 ........... |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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| JD....Why do you think hray is so low? Is there competition for it's services in china? Are US investors losing interest in chinese stocks? What do you think? |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 10:07 pm Post subject: |
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First of all I think it is because so many people follow msn advice.
It is interesting to note that in this case msn and yahoo are at totally different positions as yahoo analysts estimate it going to $12 by the end of the year and msn says it will probably significantly underperform against the market. So why do I think it is so cheap? Because it made the eggregious error of making some analysts look bad when it didn't meet their forecasted projections of it's quarterly growth rate, and triggered an overselling to where it has, I believe now bottomed because of the following figures.
cash on hand = 75.6 m
total debt = 0
last annually reported net tangibles = 16.869 m
75.6 + 16.869=92.469 m
divided by outstanding shares of 22.19m
= 4.17 this is well above 50% of the stocks actual price. This stock has only the decrease of quarterly growth rate, all other things are sterling.
I think if you can find a stock that has good positive financials and it's actual value is 50% or greater on it share price you got a sleeper on your hands. Once it gets noticed again for good things people say wow what a bargain we should get that. And boom but as it is with value investing who knows when that will happen, but it can't go much lower on an actually solid profitable company. They are still making good profit they just failed to increase it. The market I believe will come back around for them.
Look at google it is over 2000% higher than it's value and people are still buying, it is so unrealistic to think that the eps will get those kind of gains to catch up with it.
And SOLD may even be a better deal now, it is posted 116% increase on quarterly growth but somebody's lips said the real estate market is going to perform poorly this year, just look at it's debt equity of .017 this is a great company hurt on news that didn't even hit it directly.
Thats why I think both of them are down just a little too much damage from news.... And they will do OK I bet.  |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Holding steady with a 1.8% gain today closed at 7.92 |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2006 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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Up again today:
Last Trade: 8.00
Trade Time: 3:58PM ET
Change: Up 0.08 (1.01%)
Prev Close: 7.92 |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Wed Mar 15, 2006 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Closed at 8.08 today --- up .08 |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:21 am Post subject: |
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| They closed at 8.18 up .10 from previous close. |
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