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| ladyvegas |
 Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:06 am Post subject: Can u say B*** S***!!! |
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| nelaina |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:20 am Post subject: |
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sorry, but  |
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| jdunn72 |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 9:22 am Post subject: |
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| The biggest issue I see here is not whether the man truly believed cigarettes would harm him or not, but that the state has a vested interest in the outcome of lawsuits and get a large piece of the action for themselves. Ok the judge works for the state and the money goes to victims in the state it's not real hard to see where a judges decision might weigh towards his state getting some money for their underfunded programs. Yes, I say B***SH*T! as well. |
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| poornewb |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:30 am Post subject: |
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| Show me one way that the state gives that money to the victims? |
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| vetelmo |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 10:55 am Post subject: |
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| I think their has to be accountablity to the person and their personal decision making. |
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| frusnak |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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If a car company made cars that was proven to at least hurt you or kill you if you drove them and lied about the certain out come of using their product. should they be held accountable for the harm they would cause people who used their product?  You insert any product you want, asbestos, DDT etc. |
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| rewood |
| Posted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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I dont think the question is wether or not the the cigarette company lied, this is not a class action suite.
The real question is if the person that died knew cigarettes might harm him. I could understand this ruling if the family could prove he didnt know the harmfull effects. The ciggarette company being negligent in there attempts to educate the public in effects of smoking would only show that they werent the ones that told him, not that he did not know, a consumer should be just as responsible for researching a product as the manufacturer is to educate about it. Im only an engineering major not a law major this is my personal belief. |
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| DKnightSr |
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| an8skate wrote: | | I think their has to be accountablity to the person and their personal decision making. |
an8skate is right. A very smart man once said, "Life if full of choices, choices have consequences". I smoke, and I occaisionally have 2-3 beers. Those are my choices. I am a legal adult and both products are legal when consumed properly. Now if someone slips arsenic in my beer, that wasn't my choice. Should someone lace a cigarette with cyanide, that was not my choice. If it isn't my choice, I have a right to persue damages. But if the product I chose was delivered in the manner expected..... it's my choice, my problem.
I also agree that states are sucking up dollars as much as they can, and that in reality, what we have here is a conflict of interest on most of the judges parts. Should we go into the gross legal fees that the attournies make? This is big bucks folks, and where there's big bucks, there's always sharks. |
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| Colli |
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| No state will ever completely outlaw ciggs - there are just too many tax dollars riding inside of each pack. That is (as usual) the bottom line. |
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| ithatheekret |
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There's no such thing as justice in a courtroom , just facts and pleadings .
If you can't prove the fact , then you have to plead your case , that's if you can plead .
9/10 lawyers couldn't plead their way to breakfast . |
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| Colli |
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| I'd like to see Cigs outlawed completely but to be honest, the states would never go for it because there is just too many tax dollars in it for them! |
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| damon |
| Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Colli wrote: | | I'd like to see Cigs outlawed completely but to be honest, the states would never go for it because there is just too many tax dollars in it for them! |
Me too. Let's outlaw alcohol while we're at it. Oh, and gambling. I almost forgot junk food. Yeah, the world would be much better off if we had less freedom and more things were illegal. |
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| MEDIC1FF |
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| damon wrote: | | Colli wrote: | | I'd like to see Cigs outlawed completely but to be honest, the states would never go for it because there is just too many tax dollars in it for them! |
Me too. Let's outlaw alcohol while we're at it. Oh, and gambling. I almost forgot junk food. Yeah, the world would be much better off if we had less freedom and more things were illegal. |
lets outlaw cars, that way americans will get into shape by walking. Smoke while you walk. |
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| Apathetik |
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A) I wouldn't  if smoking was outlawed (I smoke) and I sometimes wish that they would...instead of taxing the sh*t out of it and progressively making smoking harder on us smokers. (ripping the duct tape off vs pulling it slowly and painfully)
B) I know smoking is bad for me and will eventually kill me but there are plenty of people (mostly my parents age and older) who still think that it is all concocted, that smoking has no impact what so ever. It is ADDICTIVE and driving is not, atleast not chemically. If a car company started adding things to the seats with the intention that you absorb it and you become addicted to driving in a ploy to get people to drive more and their vehicles need more maintenance, but it was found that this substance caused you to become more and more wreckless as you dive and 90% of drivers eventually cause wrecks that kill them....do you think the driver should be accountable? Yes...that is a different situation, but not so different that it doesn't draw a parallel
C) Tobacco sellers sell death in the guise of pleasure (i'll never forget the newport billboard that was next to the salvation army for a good 30yrs, it depicts a happy couple smoking with the phrase "A Pleasure to burn") and all the many other modes of advertisement they have used. When the cigarette companies learned that cigarettes are deadly and they didn't stop producing them, they made their fate and forfeit right to not be sued, i don't even think they should have the right to win...but that, too, wouldn't be right.
D) Cars CAN kill, Cigarettes DO kill. There is a difference.
E) If Kevorkian is constantly getting in trouble for assisting with suicides, why don't they arrest the tobacco companies on the same grounds?
Bottom line....I think that tobacco companies are on their way out...but probably not until I am very old and very cancer riddled. |
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| deprived |
| Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2007 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| The state will keep all the money- none will go to the smokers. I have seen multiple states sue and win; not one has forward any of the winnings to the smoking public. |
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