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| Grimreaper |
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No Freeye, it doesn't help, I guess it all really depends on whether or not you are a card carrying Jim Cramer Mad Money yahooooo or not, doesn't it? of course you could buy on weakness, people could have bought TOL while the fokes who Cramer told to buy was sellin, ideally they should have waited until Cramer actually said sell, if they did that and waited another 5% they could have bought TOL at absolute bottom of the last move down from the 90's  A good one to follow might be INTC, Cramer's been pumping it up since around 26.00 (to give him the benefit of the doubt), now it is almost at the 52 week high again, if it was me, and this opinion is based solely on Cramer's past crap, but if it was me I'd sell now and then buy when he says to sell INTC, that's if it trades lower of course, we could use INTC as a new test if yawnto  |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:19 am Post subject: Don't Sell Until Jim Cramer Gives You a Permission Slip |
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grimreaper:
if jim cramer started recommending intel, @ $26 and it closes today @ $27.75 that's a +6.7% gain.
it's a free country.
adults are supposed to think on there own.
jim cramer will not be giving out permission slips to sell stocks you own.
jim cramer has many times said he wants his listeners and viewers to learn to think on their own.
this false assertion of yours that everyone is suppose to be waiting around for jim cramer to tell them when to sell is just that... a false assertion.
any chance we will be able to get past this?
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 11:42 am Post subject: |
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Too early to tell if we should get past it yet, right now we are still in the trial process, we'll need more data to confirm, we've been through a round of buy and sell on DUK, CPN, and HAL, I just thunk ya might want to add INTC that's all, and the people who bought at 26.00 don't have a profit yet either, we'll have to wait for the sell call and then see where da chips fall  remember, this test is based on actual JC buy/sell calls, so the "home gamer" may not get similar results, we are only looking for results based on actual JC calls, I haven't heard him say buy CPN, HAL, or DUK since his sell call, have you? keep me posted! |
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I dunno Freeye, Cramer is obviously still expecting really big things from tech based on his last few Mad Money shows, so I'm gonna add 2 techs into the equation, gonna give him a head start with INTC at 26.00 because that's when he said to buy, and tonight he said that he would "buy LSI right now right here cause it's goin higher, so I'll add that to the mix at a fair 10.10, give JC a little premium there too, let's see how these work out. |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:33 pm Post subject: The False Assertion Test - Please! - Can't We Get Past This? |
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grimreaper:
let me understand your test rules better...
if jim cramer says to buy intel, (INTC) at $26 and, it doubles to $52 while he's on vacation from the show, which is a 100% gain, but he doesn't say sell until it hits $25.99 when he returns from vacation. you will mark that down as a bad call since he didn't give you the sell call until you had a loss?
if the above scenario is possible under the rules of your test then the test is based on a false assertion.
the false assertion being:
"that an investor should watch a 100% profit disappear while waiting for
jim cramer to give a permission slip to sell."
we really need to get past this grimreaper... don't you think?
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:44 am Post subject: |
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First of all, you won't have to worry about your scenario happening, INTC is not going to double before he says sell, this test is based on real calls by Cramer, the test with HAL, DUK, and CPN were actual buy/sell calls, I don't know what you are getting so upset about, we are just trying to find the truth using real calls by Jim Cramer that we can track on an ongoing basis over time  |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 5:44 am Post subject: Testing the Test Hypothetical Situation |
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grimreaper:
let me try communicating it in another way.
hypothetically speaking:
if jim cramer says to buy XYZ corp at $26 and, it doubles to $52 while he's on vacation from the show, which is a 100% gain, but he doesn't say sell until it hits $25.99 when he returns from vacation. you will mark that down as a bad call since he didn't give you the sell call until you had a loss?
Q. is the above hypothetical situation possible under the rules of your
test?
thanks freeye |
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:02 am Post subject: |
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| No, the scenario you mentioned is not possible, JC will never recommend a stock, have it double, and then have it get cut in 1/2 while he is on vacation, if that scenario does materialize I will personally kiss yerass on Times Square during rush hour! deal?! |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:43 am Post subject: Strong Assertions Can Be True or False |
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grimreaper said:
"JC will never recommend a stock, have it double, and then have it get
cut in 1/2 while he is on vacation"
freeye said:
"grimreaper you will need to provide the logic behind your assertion.
otherwise all you have is an assertion, which may be true or false."
thanks!
freeye
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:56 am Post subject: |
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| Reaper logic, take GLW for instance, even if he said to buy it at 15.00, not the current 17.00+, it isn't going to double to 30.00 before it gets cut in half, you can keep track of any of Cramer's picks if you want to, when you buy grossly overpriced stocks in a market that is about to go into a major correction it is impossible to have the stock double from your buy point, on the other hand, Cramer gave UTSI the thumbs down and I promise you he will still be giving it the thumbs down when it gets cut in half from the current price, but when it happens it will be the time to buy for a double, Cramer rarely recommends stocks that could double from his buy point, CMGI is a rare exception, it could double from the current 1.98 price, and he even said to rebuy as it traded in the range from 2.10 to 1.80 after their most recent earnings disaster, what is going to happen with CMGI is that it will trade below 1.00, Cramer will say sell either at that point or sometime before then, so you will lose your chance at doubling your money if you listen to him, I'm hoping you are keeping track of all the different stocks we discussed, especially SHLD, remember, he is advising his flock of idiots that SHLD is the next Bershire Hathaway, he will change that opinion after all of the people who are holding on his advice lose all of any gains they have, and then some, I want you to pay attention, and when it happens I want you to come back and say da Reaper told you so, ok? |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:28 am Post subject: |
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grimreaper:
hypothetical trade:
jim cramer says to buy XYZ corp at $26 and, it doubles to $52 while he's on vacation from the show. when jim cramer returns from vacation he says sell @ $25.99.
Q. using the rules of your test, is the above trade
A.) a winning trade.
B.) a losing trade.
just answer A or B. please.
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| Sorry, that does not compute, invalid entry how about this one? Cramer says to buy TIBX at 7.25, bad news comes out that drives it to 6.15, Cramer then says, "oh well, chit happens" to the average Cramer idiot that means hold, TIBX then trades back up to your original buy point of 7.25, a caller on the lightening round asks what to do, Cramer says the bottom is in! what do you do? what doooooo you doooooooooooo?!! |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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grimreaper:
you need to give a valid reason why the below hypothetical doesn't not compute. if you cannot give a valid reason... then you must answer the question.
hypothetical trade:
jim cramer says to buy XYZ corp at $26 and, it doubles to $52 while he's on vacation from the show. when jim cramer returns from vacation he says sell @ $25.99.
Q. using the rules of your test, is the above trade
A.) a winning trade.
B.) a losing trade.
just answer A or B. please.
thanks grimreaper!
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| Grimreaper |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry Freeye, I don't deal with fantasy land when it comes to da mawkets, if you wanna have playtime we can pretend the earth was taken over by  s and everybody was destroyed but you and me, can I be the President of the United States?! or we can just play a good stock fantasy game like EI, HAL & DUK almost became a reality today, if I was following RIG I would have logged that pig in as a new buy since Cramer said to buy it on tonight's show, he didn't say to buy HAL or DUK though, but he still is very bullish on oil stocks and tech, that's good because I think Cramer already took his vacation, that means he will be around to see some of his crap down 50%, and that means you will be able to snap out of it and stop with the fantasy trip |
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| freeye |
| Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 2:07 pm Post subject: |
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grimreaper:
c'mon! i gave you a real life example and you wouldn't answer that either!
what are you afraid of grimreaper? i hope it's not the truth grimreaper?
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